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论咖喱格兄弟之间奇妙的化学反应【无授权翻译】
薰衣草 2022-12-03


在tumblr上看到的正经解析咖喱格兄弟之间关系的文章,作者论述的很客观,深得我心,心血来潮翻译了一下。本人文笔不佳且没有经验,属实是渣翻。最后附上了原文@iwon-tletyouchoke /  iwon-tletyouchoke.tumblr.com(原作者)


纠结,各位,这种纠结啊。这两个人——他们在九十年代就是混 蛋 的 代 名 。他们的音乐曾位居榜单之首,还拥有最佳的现场表演,简直就是处于世界之巅。他俩曾经就是国王,他们深知这一点并也表现得好像一切都属于他们一样。

Liam&Noel Gallagher达成了后人无所法超越的成就——他们拥有了一切和所有。美妙的音乐旋律、目中无人的态度、绝妙的歌词、惊人的精神力,他们当之无愧地代表了一整个时代。当他们在1996年于Knebworth表演时,多达250万人争先恐后地试图买到一张演唱会门票:那可是英国全部人口的五分之一啊。他们曾统治英国长达十年,且在这一半的时间里完全堕落于毒品和酒精之中。


这两兄弟之间的关系可真是怪极了,各位。不管这听起来是多么的魔幻——他们抱着如此强烈的热情憎恨着对方,以至于他们爱彼此胜过了世界上其他任何一切。据Paolo Hewitt——他在九十年代跟随Oasis一起旅行——所说,

“他们眼里只有彼此。那就是全部——他们对方。{...}他们的关系就是如此的极端。整个世界都消失了,当他们争吵的时候就像整个世界都消失了。”

并且当他说争吵时,他说的是实打实的争吵——Noel曾用一根板球棒重击了Liam的脑袋。双方曾经因他们无数次的争吵而各自离开巡演和演唱会的情形数不胜数。他们甚至于成千上万的观众面前,在舞台上吵架。最终,也是因为两兄弟间最后的那场大争吵,Oasis于2009年结束了它的征程。Paolo Hewitt也曾写过与此相关的内容:

“你有时能看见他们在吵架时冲对方微笑,但同时他们的争吵也会变得非常激烈极端。你真的很难相信他们行事的方式。”

 

尽管如此,但Noel为Oasis创作的3/4的歌曲都颇有争议地被认为是为Liam而创作,或是写关于他的。早在1998年:

 

“我崇敬他”Liam说到Noel时表示。“我可不恨他。我怎么能呢?除了在那些我憎恨所有人,包括我自己的日子里。他也不恨我,否则他可就没的可写歌了,不是吗?而且他还让我唱他的歌,最棒的那些歌。我爱他。他给了我一张通往辉煌的车票(He gave me a ticket to ride)。”

 

一个所有Oasis粉丝都最终会认识到的事实,那就是Liam Gallagher大概是音乐史上性格最复杂的人之一。他可以在几分钟之内,从表现得像一个非常糟糕的小屁孩,摇身一变成为以自我为中心,讨人厌的摇滚之神。他的亲哥哥也曾多次表示自己仍然无法理解他,说他最好的一点就是“意料之内的不可预料”。但是关于Liam,有一件事是非常清晰明了的——他对他哥作为曲作家和音乐人的无尽的崇拜。回到1994年,当被问起他是哪位艺术家的粉丝时,Liam回答他是Noel的粉丝。我引用他说的:

 

“我只需要The Beatles和他就足够了”

去憎恨Liam并把Oasis解散的责任归咎到他头上是一件极其容易的事情,但请不要忘记了:做自负如Noel Gallagher一样人的弟弟,不可能是一件容易事,然而Liam却仍然成为了Noel的头号粉丝。近些时候,当Oasis已经解散的时候,他也说过:

“我爱Noel的歌,我爱唱他的歌。整个Oaisis的经历对于我来说都很酷,老兄。”

 

你无法在不提及所有那些乱伦暗示的前提下谈论这两兄弟的关系。除了那些“臭名昭著”的台上接吻外,无可置疑的是Liam创作了他最怪异也是最美丽的,关于他哥、写给他哥的:"Guess God Thinks I'm Abel",其第一句歌词就是“我可以做你的爱人(I could be your lover)”——太怪了各位。Liam曾以他自己的方式解释道:

 

“我爱他、崇拜他超过这世上的所有人。不过我们确实很少交流,因为我们之间不需要言语。但是那首歌基本上就是给他写的,大意就是,闭嘴吧,表现出点尊重你才会收获别人的尊重。不管是人生、兄弟还是姐妹之间,我们都想要尊重,不是吗?”

关于这首歌Noel也有几句想说的话。

“Liam突然变得非常有宗教色彩{...}他创作了一首名为‘ Guess  God  Thinks  I'm  Abel’的歌。我本以为这歌里说的是‘able’,但当他把歌写下来的后,我发现原来是‘Abel’{...}那样我就自然而然成为了Cain。难道Cain不是杀死了Abel吗?可是那首歌的第一句词竟然是‘我可以做你的爱人(I could be your lover)’。关于这我可不太确定了,(乱伦)那是违法的,不是吗?两兄弟之间做爱不仅不太合法,并且绝对是不被大众所赞成的。”

 

当你仔细琢磨“Live Forever”这首歌时——这(live forever)正是是兄弟俩一直坚信的。那就是他们将会永生不死、他们能看见常人永远无法看见的事情、他们对于对方是什么样的存在这一事实——我们永远无法理解。不论他们对于彼此是怎样的存在,那都不是我们其他人可以弄明白的。

 

“我和他是兄弟,也永远都将是兄弟。在我的心灵深处,总会存在一条回去的路。我和他将永不停歇地前行,超越...超越时间的限制。我们俩将会永远,永远继续下去”

——Liam Gallagher

我一直觉得大部分Noel和Liam的吵架都是两人之间沟通不善导致的。在音乐上他们可以达成一致,但从Oasis创立之初起,他们俩在其他的方面上就是一团糟。我打赌Noel一定被这整个局面搞得很懊恼——对于能把他的歌以如此美丽的方式大声唱出来的弟弟,他却无法恰当表达自己的欣赏与赞美。Noel以下说的这段话简直就是不言自明:

“暗地里我一直很敬仰Liam。他是整个世界上唯一一个能以他那种独到的方式唱出我的歌的人,也只有他能给我的歌带来那一丝温暖。我可以毫不夸张地说,作为一个人类个体,他在任何一个方面都是特别的。”

 

这也是我一直感觉Liam就是Noel的奇迹之墙(Wonderwall)的原因——当然不是在说浪漫关系啦,你们这些变态!:而是因为Liam是乐队的领衔者,是最牛逼的摇滚主唱之一。Noel把自己创作的歌曲映射在了Liam这面墙上,并注视着自己心中的梦想变成现实。

“Liam是一个超级tm牛逼的乐队主唱,他能把每一首唱过的歌变成带有他权威标记的东西,我远远不及他。”(Noel on Q, ,February 1996)

 

另一段来自Kaise Chiefs的有趣的引述:

 

“他们可不是兄弟,他们的行为举止不像那样。那(他们之间的情感)比爱要巨大得多,他们表现得更像是一对男女朋友。”

 

那么他们之间这种复杂的关系又是怎样影响乐队的呢?可以说正是这,让他们一度成为了世界上最大,最棒的乐队,但同时也让他们结束得如此糟糕。就是这么简单。

Noel和Liam Gallagher曾是Oasis的心脏与灵魂。当时他们经历的一切——名声,金钱,打架,毒品,现场表演,观众,搞糟的一切,世界之巅,他们所建立的“统治”——都是仅属于他们两个人的。Liam曾说他只会唱John Lennon和他哥写的歌,Noel回答说他只会把自己的歌交给John Lennon和Liam去唱。兄弟俩之间的纽带是没有人可以想象理解的。

如果说他们的音乐是一场如此深刻,绝妙,无与伦比,令人焦虑且惊为天人的旅程的话,那是因为他们之间的关系也正是这样。基本上来说——这段关系已经结束了,但是我们得以见证如此绝妙的一段关系,并且如果他们的关系不是这样复杂费解,也不会曾经这么美丽。

我用这段来自Noel Gallagher的精彩的引述来总结一下,这个改变了世界音乐史的伟大摇滚乐队的故事。

“在台上,我只想要他。在某个吉他间奏或什么之间,他转向我,我转向他,我们眼神接触四目相对。在那一刻,不管其他的乐队成员,那里仅站着我和他。当他面朝我说‘你为之疯狂不是吗’,而我回答到‘当然,老弟’时——这,概括了所有的一切。”

 



为我的大段啰嗦道歉。

“曼彻斯特,我为之疯狂!”

咖喱格兄弟万岁。


The angst guys, the angst. These two guys right here - they were THE SHIT back in the 90s. Top of the charts, top of the live scene, simply top of the world. They were the kings, they knew it and they acted like everything was theirs.

Liam e Noel Gallagher did something that no one else will ever do after them. They  had  everything.  The melodies.  The attitude.  The lyrics.  The mentality.  Oasis  was not a band, it really was an entire generation. When they performed in Knebworth in 1996 2.5 million people tried to buy a ticket: that’s 1/5 of the entire English population. They ruled England for a decade, and they did so while being completely fucked on alcohol and cocaine half of the time.

The relationship between these two brothers was some weird shit, man. They hated each other with such a passion that they loved each other more than anything else in the world - for how unreal that sounds. Accordingly to Paolo Hewitt, who travelled with Oasis back in the 90s,

“All they could see was each other. That’s all it was—each  other.  […]  the  intensity of that relationship is like that. The world disappears. When those  two are arguing the  the world disappears.”

And by arguing, he means ARGUING - Noel once hit Liam's head with a cricket bat. They respectively left tours and concerts countless time because of one of the many arguments they had; they even argued on stage, in front of thousands and thousands of people. Eventually, in 2009 Oasis ended their journey together because of the ultimate argument between the two brothers. Paolo Hewitt wrote also something about this:

"You can sometimes see them smiling at each other as they argue. But there were times when the rows could get really heavy, it was hard to believe the  way they acted”

And yet, arguably a good ¾ of the songs Noel wrote for Oasis were about and for Liam. Back in 1998:

"I rate him,” Liam says of Noel. “I don't hate him. How could I? Except for  days when I could hate anyone, including meself. He doesn't hate me, either. He'd have nothing else to write about, would he? And he lets me sing his  songs. The best songs. I love him. He gave me a ticket to ride.”

What every Oasis fan has sooner or later realized is that Liam Gallagher is probably one of the most complex characters in the history of music. He can go from acting like a pretty fucked up child to a self-centered, obnoxious  rock 'n  roll  god  within minutes. His own brother has often said that he still doesn't understand him and that the best thing of him is the fact that he is “predictably unpredictable”.  But there is one thing that is very clear about Liam - his endless adoration for his brother as a songwriter and a musician. Back in 1994, when asked which artist he was a fan of, Liam replied that he was a fan of Noel. He said, and I quote,

"All I need it's The Beatles and him”

It is extrimely easy to hate on Liam and accuse him to be the reason Oasis split,  but remember: it can't be easy to be Noel Gallagher's brother for someone who  has such a big ego, and Liam managed to still be Noel's greatest fan. Lately, when Oasis had already split, he also said:

“I love Noel's songs.  I love singing his songs. The  whole Oasis thing was  cool  for me, man.”

You can't address  the  relationship  between  these two brothers without bringing in all the incest hints. Apart from the infamous on-stage snog, without a doubt Liam wrote his weirdest and most beautiful song  about and for his brother: “Guess God Thinks I'm Abel”, with the first line being “I could be your lover” - weird shit guys. Liam explained it in his own way:

“I love him, I adore him, more than anyone else in the fuckin'whole wide  world. But we also don't speak that much. We don't have to speak. But that  song is basically for him. It's like, shut the fuck up, give respect and you'll get  respect back. Life, brothers and sisters, that's what we all want isn't it, respect?”

Noel had something to say about this song too. 

"Liam's got all religious […] He wrote a song called “Guess God Thinks I'm  Abel”. I thought it was able, but when he wrote it down, it was Abel […] That must make me Cain. Doesn't Cain kill Abel? But the first line of that song is, ‘I could be your lover’. I am not too sure about that. That's illegal, innit?  It's kind of illegal for two brothers to make love. It's certainly frowned upon”

When you think about “Live forever” - that’s something that both brothers  have always believed in. The fact that they were going to live forever, the fact that they see things we’ll never see, the fact that what they are - we can't understand that. Whatever they are, is not something we can punt our fingers on.

“Me and him are brothers and we will never be over. In the back of my mind, there was always a way back. Me and him will go on forever, and beyond…beyond this time. It'll go on forever and ever and ever.”

-Liam Gallagher

I've always felt like their inability to communicate has always been the reason of most of Noel and Liam’s fights. Music was something they always agreed on, but the rest was an absolute mess from the very beginning of Oasis, and I bet Noel  must have felt pretty frustrated by the whole situation, by the fact that he couldn't express properly his appreciation from his brother, who sang out loud his songs  so beautifully. This quote by Noel is basically self-explanatory:

"I've always secretly had a sense of respect for Liam as an individual. He is  the only one in the entire world that can express my songs in the way he  does. And he is the only one who can bring a sense of warmth to my songs.  I'll say without exaggeration that, he is a special person in all ways possible  as a human being.”

And this is also why I've always felt like Liam was Noel's Wonderwall - of course  not in a romantic way, you pervs! : because he was the frontman of the band, and one of the very fucking best rock singers out there. Liam was the wall Noel could  project his music on and see the dreams in his head become reality.

"Liam is a f**king brilliant frontman and he stamps his authority over  everything he sings. I can't even come close.” (Noel on Q, February 1996)

Another interesting quote, this one by Kaise Chiefs:

They are no brothers. They don't act like that. It is bigger than love. They act more like they are a boyfriend and a girlfriend.

How did this kind of complex relationship worked for the band? It was what made them become the biggest and best band in the world and what made them fell  so hard. It's as simple as that.

Noel and Liam Gallagher were the heart and the soul of Oasis. What they were   going through at the time - the fame, the money, the fights, the drugs, the gigs,  the crowds, the fucks up, the  top  of  the  world ,  the  reign  they  built  - was  something that was just theirs. Liam said that he would only sing songs by  John Lennon and his brother, Noel replied that he would give his songs to John  Lennon and Liam.  Their bond is something that no one has ever understood.

If their music is such a deep, amazing, incredible, angst and mindblowing journey, it's because so was their relationship. Basically - it’s over know, but we had it   really fucking good, and if their relationship wasn't this complex, it wouldn't have been this good.

With this incredible quote by Noel Gallagher, I sum up the story of a band who  changed the history of music.

“Onstage, I just want HIM. When he turns to me and I turn to him at one   guitar break or whatever and we just both look at each other. I'm not dissing the rest of the band, but there is only me and him. When he turns to me and goes, ‘Are you mad fer it’, and I go, ‘Aye, cocker’, that  what  it's  all about.”


I'm sorry for the rant.

“Manchester, I'm mad fer it!”

Long live the Gallaghers.



终于翻完了,真的很佩服原作者...

这里是一些译者的唠叨():第一次听oasis的歌我就完全沦陷了,感觉他们的歌有一种打动人灵魂()的魔力。以浅薄的摇滚知识和半吊子的英语水平,近两天狂补了咖喱格兄弟的绝美爱情,只想说、这、这也太真了吧!!

先不论磕cp,咖喱格吸引我的更是兄弟俩之间绝妙的化学反应。可以说在舞台上,莉娅就像是一股强劲的、不受控的自然力量,用无形的力量吸引着每个人的目光,将舞台、乐队、音乐一下子变成了属于他的东西。而有缸则默默矗立在一边,在暗地里控制着全场,与莉娅的不羁狂放完美互补。我高度认同原作者所说的——正是兄弟俩之间相爱相杀的复杂关系使oasis如此的独一无二,成就了oasis的辉煌。缺了莉娅和有缸任何一人,oasis都不会是oasis,而我觉得兄弟俩也深知这一点。

不过有一点我并不完全赞同,原作者认为咖喱格兄弟俩之间的关系已经结束了,但我觉得,只要他们还在歌中怀念、呼唤着彼此(没错说的就是你诺有缸),兄弟俩这种奇妙的化学反应就还会继续下去,live forever。

(私心加了一些咖喱格兄弟美图)


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